Trail status postings

[SweetSVT99]

I brought my voice to this forum to bring attention to the ambiguity of your trail open/closed notice. I pointed out that this was never an issue before forc took over. I stand by my opinion that if you are taking responsibility for the trail, which creates the maintained environment which will have to endure trail closures... then you should do a much better job of communicating that the trails are open. Ask yourselves, did you ever call the ICORR hotline, or did you call the Corps of Engineers to see if Sugar Bottom was open?

I didn't attack any of you personally, I was very blunt towards Forc. The comment from your trail steward was the only one representative of a club, the rest of you went on a personal attack against me. Calling me a "poacher"... WTF boys? We took care of the 5 miles of trail out there long before Forc got involved. Listen to yourselves, you are the ones bitching because I dare rattle the Forc nest. If it wasn't for "poachers" like me, that trail system would have disolved into the woods and disappeared.

May I remind you all that the Cannon loop that follows the creek on the west side of the trail, below the pine trees was cut in by some boy scout troup leader as a renagade trail. How many of you know that? Is he a poacher, if so, shouldn't you rehab that loop as it was cut without the ranger's approval? Don't be so quick to throw stones at me boys. Again, you are benefitting from the labors of others.

The comment about one mile of trail was taken out of context, I was saying that even on wet days, those of us that knew the original trail had short 1 mile loops that we could do laps on (15-20 miles) without damaging the trail. Well, that was until you rerouted the trails east of the pine trees.

I applaud anyone that puts in the effort to create more singletrack out there. To the comment that singletrack has always been illegal out there... don't quote 40 year old rules that contradict everything the fleet of rangers and weekend rangers have told us for the past 20 years. They have always told us, we can ride anything on the equestrian side of the park, but crossing the road you enter the nature trail and that was expressly forbidden and signage was there as well. The rangers are good guys and we've had many a picnic with them after our rides. They grew fond of us while they had great disdain for the QCBC guys that would blow through the park roads at high speed.

Insult me all you want, as you are obviously the voices of Forc.

I guess some people get it, and some don't.

Re-read your first post. The nature of that post, and each one since, has not been to simply bring our trail closure system to our attention.

You however did:

1) TELL me what I NEED to do with the sign on the frontpage.

"Modify the home page so that the trail closing info is time stamped"

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That isn't a suggestion, it's an order. I can and will consider suggestions, and never once in my response to you did I say it was a bad one. I did say, if you look around the forum and the trail page, it states many times to look on their website and to be 100% sure, call ScoCoPa's number.

2)

That way we know that you didnt' bother to update it for three days before we drive all the way out to SCP

Really? How about you just call the number to be sure. Again, as state many times, we don't control the trail status.

3)

Because of FORC, SCP is now shut down when wet, when in the past, it was always open and up to our discretion to ride.

Now here's where we are starting to get really ridiculous. "Because of FORC". Yep...it's all our fault.

4)

You wanted it, you got it, now be responsible for accurately displaying the open or closed info

WE DON'T TRY TO BE RESPONSIBLE FOR ACCURATLY DISPLAYING THE STATUS. How hard is it to understand? It is a good starting point, but call ScoCoPa if you are unsure!

5)

Its Thursday, its gorgeous out, I want to ride and nobody at SCP answers and your friggin sign says closed. Hasn't rained for days guys. Little help

Our sign said closed, because they were....CLOSED. I'm sure they weren't answering because they were fielding calls from people like you complaining all day.

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the rest of you went on a personal attack against me. Calling me a "poacher"

Nobody went on a personal attack against you. You were called a poacher, because you WERE (are?) a poacher.

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below the pine trees was cut in by some boy scout troup leader as a renagade trail

Most people that have posted in this thread so far are very well aware who cut in that loop, and a few others. Admittedly, that person was a poacher as well and HE has seen the error of his ways.

The bottom line here is that we are on the same side. You claim you didn't attack any of us, but you did. If you just came here and politely requested we put time stamps on the trail status, that would have been cool...I don't think it's a bad idea and wouldn't be that difficult to implement. You didn't...you came here and blamed us that ScoCoPa's rangers enforce the rules that have probably been in place longer than most of us have owned a mountain bike.

By the way, they have updated their website, it appears the trails are open. I didn't call to confirm however. As soon as I confirm, I will update the website.