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    Quote Originally Posted by 510joe View Post
    I ran a lap just to see how bad it was....
    I hate to ask but... was it rideable?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 510joe View Post
    I went over to LT yesterday. Didn't even consider biking it. I ran a lap just to see how bad it was.... I think I can answer the question "what happened to the great mayan civilzation?" Horses.
    I have often wondered, what if a group got fed up w/ red tape, paying too much insurance, not being appreciated, equestrians not contributing but rather damaging hard work or whatever the case and decided NOT to maintain a trail system anymore?

    Please tell me it is such a mess that the equestrians can't even really enjoy riding an ungroomed and rutted trail system.

    I want to know if they eventually get fed up with overgrowth and erosion and stop riding there and move on to destroy (w/out repairing) a different trail system?
    Or do they just keep on keep'n on?
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    Quote Originally Posted by iLuvTechnical View Post
    Please tell me it is such a mess that the equestrians can't even really enjoy riding an ungroomed and rutted trail system.
    The equestrians told us several times that they preferred the trails to be "wild" rather than groomed. I'm sure they're pleased with the way things have turned out...

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    Rumor has it that they had all but given up riding the trails out there numerous years back because no one maintained them. Ranger Mike indicated that he wasn't all that bothered by it at the time because it much less of a hassle.

    When FORC started maintaining them, the equestrians started coming back, and so the usual conflict between our user groups began again. (We scare the horses, they tear up the trails, etc.) I ALMOST get the impression that Ranger Mike would just as soon let the trails go to seed so he wouldn't have to mess with either the equestrians or the MTB'ers.

    Yeah, We know the Parks that only allow MTBers (or that ENFORCE the seperation rules! Oh, hi Scocopa, didn't see you standing there...) don't have these problems because we maintain, assist, educate, inform, and basically police ourselves and our fellow riders who may not be up to speed with all of these issues like we're supposed to in order to create a better relationship with the land managers.

    Based on Scocopa and Loud thunder, it seems the circle is this-

    Step 1. Equestrians use the trails until their unrideable and stop showing up

    Step 2. Mountain Bikers offer to spend thousands of hours and thousands of dollars to rehab the trails to sustainability

    Step 3. Equestrians get upset that they have to share the trails or that they aren't allowed to ride on the trails built or rehabbed with MTB time and money.

    Step 4. Equestrians ignore the rules and create conflict by doing so.

    Step 5. Rangers adopt a "can't we all just get along" attitude and ignore the problem.

    Step 6. MTBers get tired of repairing trails or riding crap trails.

    Step 7. Equestrians use trails until they're unrideable and stop showing up

    Step 8. Go to step 2, repeat ad nauseum...

    Unless a ranger follows Sugar Bottoms example and gets rid of the user group that won't maintain their own trails. In that case popularity ioncrease, conflict goes away and everyone is either happy or somewhere else.

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    That's what I thought.
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    Not even remotely rideable... Probably beyond repair.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 510joe View Post
    Not even remotely rideable... Probably beyond repair.
    good...sets us up nicely in the future....

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    4 years ago there was about 3 miles of decent single track that the horses hadn't ruined. Much agreed about an epic possible ride there. Not quite like Levi-Trow or Chequamegon epic though it is fun to dream. I'd focus on what ya got and build the community before going head to head with the horsebians.

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    Anyone willing to come out here and help clean up again?

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