The Zoic Black Market shorts w/ the assault liner are the best shorts I have ever had the pleasure of wearing (for the money). The belt is great in case you are feeling fat or skinny on a particular day. The pockets are perfect. The liner is comfortable and dries quickly. You can remove the liner and wear the shell as shorts...etc... It was recommended that I buy one size larger than normal b/c they run slim in the thighs and I am glad I took the advice. I went w/ the XL instead of the Lg. I think the waste would have fit fine but they would have been tight in the thighs. They are very comfortable and I have seem to be very well made for the money.

My 2 cents.