Okay, now I am not trying to give my opinion anymore, but rather, learn...
How is the liner of the shorts I mentioned any different (other than being much cheaper) than the ones Gunchie is mentioning? These have everything mentioned PLUS a shell w/ pockets. These are removable and could be worn w/ any other shorts just like the Lycra shorts from the more expensive links posted.
http://www.hucknroll.com/zoic-black-...2-001b2166becc